Question by Mr Philippe Houillon (UMP) on the Responsibility of magistrates.
Mr. Chairman. call Mr. Philippe Houillon, for group of the Union for a Popular Movement.
Philippe Houillon . Minister of Justice on 18 January, a young girl, Laetitia, was killed, a victim of acts of barbarity the most atrocious, allegedly committed by a man of thirty-one years, fifteen times already condemned and considered very dangerous by his own entourage.
The extreme emotion and pain his family permanent, rather than eliciting from the political and judicial thinking respectful ...
Roland Muzeau . Who is not respectful? The President of the Republic!
Philippe Houillon . ... give way today to a single strike, because the head of state, institutions referee after receiving Laëtitia family and shared her grief, said - without further appoint judges specifically , let alone all the magistrates, as the only scope of responsibility - he could be wrong and it would be punished.
He was in his role. (Applause UMP and NC groups.) is the rule in all cases and for all the world we see every day. (Shouts on the benches of the CBC group.)
It is true that the question of liability of magistrates has been debated for a long time without actually being cut, which creates incomprehension of our citizens .
Jean Glavany . And political accountability ?
Philippe Houillon . However, the judges have clearly felt collectively achieved and even express a sense of injustice that we have heard, both because they assume very conscientious role increasingly difficult, including the honesty requires that they do not always have the means, because it is not healthy for misunderstandings and even divisions, settled between the institutions of the Republic that our citizens can not understand and finally because the issue of high recurrence and large predators probably solve most of the actors through dialogue rather than by new laws.
My question is twofold. First, the investigations have allowed them to assess whether or not mistakes, whatever their origin, were committed in the handling of the situation Tony Meilhon? Second, what steps do you take to restore the necessary dialogue with the judiciary? (Applause from many benches of the UMP.)
Mr. Chairman. Speech is Mr Michel Mercier, Keeper, Minister of Justice and Civil Liberties.
Michel Mercier keeper, minister of justice and freedom. Gentleman Houillon, as you just pointed out, the murder of Laetitia, 19 January, requires all elected officials - officials and judges - to take stock and look honestly at where things are.
The President of the Republic has acted as guarantor of the regular functioning of our institutions (Shouts on the benches CBC groups and GDRs. - Applause and NC groups UMP) , and he was right to do so. He was carrying the emotion in public opinion by this terrible murder (Protests on the benches and CBC groups GDR) , and he is also entitled to its share of humanity.
If the interior minister and I have commissioned three surveys, because there have been failures. We await the outcome of these investigations to determine whether to take disciplinary proceedings. If the fault has been collected, we will take the necessary steps to change the mode of operation, working methods and to ensure, as Prime Minister announced yesterday that resources are sufficient.
Starting next week, when the reports submitted to me in, I will invite professional organizations and unions to come talk to me at the Chancellery in order to build a new climate of respect and discussion for the public service of justice is the best for the French. That's what they expect of us. (Applause from many schools and groups UMP NC.)
Question of Jean-Marc Ayrault (PS) on the operation of institutions.
Mr. Chairman. call Mr. Jean-Marc Ayrault, the Socialist group, radical, and various citizen left.
Jean-Marc Ayrault . Prime Minister, we share in the Republic, it is our common heritage (Shouts on the benches of the UMP group) , it is our pride and identity in the world. When the Republic is abused, it's the image of France that is damaged in the eyes of the world as our own eyes.
Richard Mallié . So why do you mess?
Jean-Marc Ayrault . President of the Republic is the guarantor of our institutions, it is up to him, primarily, to ensure and assume the proper functioning of government. Today, however, is precisely the Head of State who, by his words, fueling controversy, division and paralysis of our institutions. (Applause CBC group. - Whoops on the benches of the UMP.)
All regulatory functions of the state are in crisis. How is driving the reform of the armed forces no longer accepted by the military. ("This is not true!" On the benches of the UMP.) CRS went on strike, judges, police, policemen, probation officers, prison staff, express their anger, and diplomats out of their reserves to serve their discomfort.
The President of the Republic, elected to ensure the authority of the State, is now destroying it! (Applause group CBC). Mr. Prime Minister, which is excessive? The President, or those who show? We already know your answer is always the fault of others, officials, judges, journalists, opposition!
Guy Teissier . Socialists!
Jean-Marc Ayrault . However, it is noted that the exemplary behavior is more appropriate today as head of state. (Applause group CBC).
Prime Minister, the magnitude of your function is to assume the powers entrusted to the French you have and where you need them accountable. What will you do to put an end to the current situation and then put the Republic at the place? (Applause group CBC).
Mr. Chairman. call François Fillon, Prime Minister.
Mr. François Fillon, Prime Minister . Mr. Chairman Ayrault, the Republic is our common good and it behooves us all to uphold the authority of the state. This is not to escape responsibility, refusing to look reality in the face.
Martyrdom Laëtitia has moved across France, and I mean, first of all, it was the duty of the President of the Republic than to echo that emotion, with heart ! (Applause from the UMP.)
We can have debates about the responsibilities on the question of how justice, but I do not understand that about this matter, the All the actors do not show compassion unanimous against the victim! (Applause from the UMP. - Protests on the benches of the CBC group.)
Just a word to express his sympathy, but I did not hear! (Members of the CBC group get up and continue to protest.)
Regarding the functioning of justice, the alleged culprit, at least the main accused, who was indicted in this case, is well known to justice and has spent many years in prison. He was expected to be followed after discharge, which was not the case. It is a failure, nobody can deny. (Shouts on the benches of the CBC group.)
Patrick Bloche . Justice does not have enough resources!
François Fillon, Prime Minister . We have commissioned surveys that tell if the mistakes are mistakes or misconduct related to the organization of our judicial system. Everyone must take responsibility. If there were misconduct, they should be punished, if there are faults in the very organization of the judiciary, then it is the Government, the Minister of Justice, the Minister of Interior and to justice to propose corrections to address them.
Daniel Vaillant . It your fault!
Mr. François Fillon, Prime Minister . is indeed the whole meaning of the statement issued jointly, a few days ago, by the Minister of Justice and the Interior Minister, who gave the first tracks to take measures to ensure that this never happens again.
I know perfectly the cumbersome task of magistrates ("They lack the means!" On the banks of the CBC group) and I know the difficulties they face. On the question of resources, I invite you to Humbling, because when you were in business, you do not have the necessary means to justice. ("What have you done in nine years?" On the banks of the CBC group.) We're trying to catch up, but there is much to do. It is a collective responsibility!
The cumbersome task of judges, their overwhelming responsibility, should not lead, as is the case today, that all our fellow citizens are victims of their protest. (Members of the UMP group rose and applauded at length.)
Question of Jean-Yves Le Bouillonnec (PS) on the functioning of institutions.
Mr. Chairman. call Mr. Jean-Yves Le Bouillonnec for the Socialists, radical, and various citizen left.
Jean-Yves Le Bouillonnec . Prime Minister, it is not for you to judge the compassion felt by every French person in connection with the murder of Laetitia small. Your words to us are unfair and insulting! (Applause group CBC).
Recent statements by the President of the Republic have not only undermined the organization of institutions guaranteed by the Constitution, they not only tried to hide awkwardly failures. (Protests on the benches of the UMP.) The remarks of the President of the Republic are in the eyes of those it seeks but also in the eyes of all French people love our democracy, a true destabilization of the state. (Applause CBC group as well as several benches Group GDR. - Protests on the benches of the UMP.)
The president is yet the guardian of our republican institutions and democratic!
In a state of law, can we imagine that the head of state to this lack of respect towards those who are entrusted with maintaining public order, the law enforcement and enforcement of judgments? (same movements.)
We run the risk of a loss of confidence of our citizens against institutions to the state, even in a time of crisis, we all need that confidence. Can we imagine that the President of the Republic does not measure this issue, which constitutes the first responsibility that universal suffrage has entrusted? (Applause group CBC).
Our country can not be built by permanent confrontation, by divisions, by the frustration of conflicting interests are inevitable in any society. (Shouts on the benches of the UMP.) It is in the unit nation, peace and social pact Republican! (Applause CBC group and several benches Group GDR).
Prime Minister, do you not think that what this country needs - for himself, as all others who look at today with more despair than envy (Protests on the benches of the UMP.) - is that the President of the Republic or by his actions, his words, by ability to reach the epitome of the rule of law? (Mrs and Mr. Members of the group CBC rose and applauded at length. - Loud protests and jeers on the benches of the UMP.)
Mr. Chairman. call Michel Mercier, Keeper of the Seals, Minister of Justice and Civil Liberties.
Michel Mercier keeper, minister of justice and freedom. I would first ask you to excuse Mr. Prime Minister, who had to leave this Chamber to get to Annecy. (Shouts on the benches of the CBC group.)
Alain Neri. That sucks!
Michel Mercier keeper. Mister Bouillonnec, as you said, as we all think, the President of the Republic is the guarantor of the regular functioning of government.
The President of the Republic is in its role when it comes to recall principles, including the principle of responsibility that must guide all officials, including judges. (Shouts on the benches of the CBC group and GDRs).
The President of the Republic is also in his role when he carries the emotion of the country facing a terrible murder. (Shouts on the benches of the CBC group and GDRs).
We must all, elected officials, civil servants, magistrates, loyally watch what happened and learn lessons.
Frédéric Cuvillier . You're taking your foot in the carpet!
Michel Mercier custody seals. We must consider the results of investigations that the interior minister and I have commissioned: we all gain, the Republic has everything to gain.
Thus we can together find the way to serenity (Shouts on the benches of the CBC group.) which is lacking today.
I want to appeal to the duty of everyone's responsibility in his duties. (Loud exclamations on the benches of the CBC group.)
Bruno Roux . Ask the President of the Republic!
Michel Mercier keeper. The work of judges is difficult, painful, I know. I mean ... just (Shouts on the benches of the CBC group, applause on the benches of the UMP.)
Mr. Chairman. Thanks.
Question by Mr Dominique Raimbourg (PS) on Justice.
Mr. Chairman. call Dominique Raimbourg, for the Socialist group, radical, and various citizen left.
Dominique Raimbourg . My question was directed initially at the Prime Minister. It now addresses the Keeper of the Seals.
The horrible plight experienced by the young Laetitia on the night of January 19 in Pornic we shook the heart at all. However, from February 3, at Orleans, the President of the Republic, without waiting for the reports of three inspections in progress, without taking precautions oratories which were those of Mr. Prime Minister and who were now yours, Mr. Keeper, spoke of "mistakes" and "sanctions".
Alain Gest . If there was fault!
Dominique Raimbourg . If there had been foul.
Dominique Dord . Follow what was said.
Dominique Raimbourg . was forgotten too quickly that the staff officers been victims of RGPP. It was a little too quickly forget that probation officers each have 135 cases to process. It was a little too quickly forget that the fourth station of Nantes judge the execution of sentences was not provided. (Applause group CBC). was a little too quickly forgotten that our country is ranked thirty-seventh among European countries for the share of GDP devoted to justice. (Applause group CBC).
Dominique Dord . This is not reality.
Dominique Raimbourg . embittered by this situation, judges, clerks, probation officers have embarked on a protest. They received the support of the police, the support of lawyers, support staff of the prison.
Thus, the President of the Republic, who boasted in spring 2007, to resolve the issue of repeat offenders in the summer, sees united against him all the agents of the criminal justice .
Three questions, three questions also to make justice to this poor little victim.
First, Mr. Keeper, do you intend to launch a comprehensive recovery plan for our justice finally provide the resources it needs, beyond the annual budget adjustments? (Applause CBC group and several benches Group GDR).
Secondly, do you intend to finally launch the project of reflection on crime and recidivism, the recidivism and offenders, since the stack of security laws has been used to nothing?
Finally, do you intend to power, the ability to avoid the excesses of the President of the Republic on this subject? (Applause CBC group and several benches of the GDR Group. - Protests over several benches of the UMP.)
Mr. Chairman. call Michel Mercier, Keeper of the Seals, Minister of Justice and Civil Liberties.
Michel Mercier keeper, minister of justice and freedom. Sir, the Government headed by François Fillon is a government that has acted for justice.
Several members of the Socialist group, radical, and various citizen left. No!
Michel Mercier keeper. From 2007 to 2011, 5,633 jobs were created in the Department of Justice after the 988 judicial positions that were created from 2002 to 2007.
Patrick Lemasle . How are provided?
Michel Mercier keeper. This shows the awareness of a historical delay means the Department of Justice.
Patrick Lemasle . It is not clear!
Michel Mercier keeper. As the court of Nantes which you mentioned, it has 48 posts. Throughout the years 2009, 2010 and 2011, this court was, except in August and September 2009, 49 posts or 50 posts, that is to say more than its normal staffing. If is true that he missed a post of judge of application of penalties, the court of Nantes was properly staffed in positions of judges in 2009, 2010 and 2011.
Yesterday, the Prime Minister said very clearly that he asked the Interior Minister and the Minister of Justice to quickly make proposals to fill gaps that might appear in terms of operation and posts. Obviously we have to make proposals that will address both the clerks, the probation officers.
Patrick Lemasle . It patina ...
Michel Mercier keeper. Probation officers are not numerous enough, it's true. We will propose to create jobs in the coming days with new measures that you know well. I mean that quite naturally ...
Mr. Chairman. Thank you, Mr. Keeper.
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